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From Pastor Scott in Seattle, WA:

I just installed these a week ago, so don’t have a lot to report [...]

I have had Leaf Filter on my home since March of ‘09 and live on a heavily wooded lot in Falls Church Va. I have lots of pines and oaks all around my property. I used to have to go up [...]]]> Reader James writes the following review of the Leaf Filter gutter protection system:

I have had Leaf Filter on my home since March of ‘09 and live on a heavily wooded lot in Falls Church Va. I have lots of pines and oaks all around my property. I used to have to go up on my roof at least 3 times a year to clean out the gutters. Since getting Leaf Filter put on my house I couldn’t be happier. All the water goes right through the screen every time, and the leaves come right off. Also, just a note, when my neighbors gutters came off during the winter, mine stayed on.

Jimmy, a self-identified LeafFilter installer (http://mynewgutters.com) offers the following rebuttal to Joe’s review:

I am a LeafFilter dealer/installer.  LeafFilter works perfectly with a metal roof.  It is the best gutter [...]]]> A while back, a reader named Joe posted a review of LeafFilter.  He wasn’t having the greatest experience.  He came away quite dissatisfied with the product.

Jimmy, a self-identified LeafFilter installer (http://mynewgutters.com) offers the following rebuttal to Joe’s review:

I am a LeafFilter dealer/installer.  LeafFilter works perfectly with a metal roof.  It is the best gutter guard on the market for a metal roof application.  The main reason is that it mounts just to the gutter.  It does not need to be mounted to the roof under the shingles like most gutter guards. The LeafFilter gutter guard is the only micro-filtration gutter guard that does not mount under the roof shingles.

I install it all the time on gutters that handle water from a metal roof.  It sounds like whoever installed the system [on your home] has a lack of experience.  One of two things can be done if you are having a problem with water over-shooting the gutter guard from a metal roof… or any roof.   If one of the steps below are taken, it will fix the problem.

First, you could install the service screen/valley screen which is a more porous filter that will handle the extra water flow.  90% of the time, this will fix the problem.  Second, if the problem persists, what will need to be done is you will need to have a six inch gutter installed, in turn you will have more of a filter surface to handle the extra water flow.  If you have any questions on this give me a call at 877 573 2653.

If LeafFilter is properly installed, and the right steps are taken when a problem arises, it can be eradicated 100% of the time.  I believe LeafFilter is they best gutter guard on the market with over 700,000 ft installed personally from our company.  We never had a call back we could not fix and we never had a single clogged gutter!

While we admire Jimmy’s desire to back up his product, we at TheGutterClub have a known stance on “clogged gutters”.  This is never the issue.  The gutters don’t have to clog to be completely useless.  Over-shooting water is the main concern with gutter failure, and nobody ever wants to guarantee that this won’t happen.

But anyway, thanks Jimmy for your rebuttal.  Please let us know if you would like to share any of your other experiences in the field.

The main problem I have found for using ANY cover with your standard open tray gutter is that this type of gutter installation has major flaws.

First [...]]]> Joe chimes in with another Reader Report, this time we get a little expert advice and then an endorsement of the GutterMaxx Leaf Protection System.  Here is Joe’s lengthy report:

The main problem I have found for using ANY cover with your standard open tray gutter is that this type of gutter installation has major flaws.

First of all, it is never installed with a drip edge on your fascia board (thats even if you have a fascia board at all, if not, your troubles are compounded… will touch on later) A drip edge is designed to keep water off of your roof line wood surfaces (fascia board, rafter tails, roof decking) otherwise they will begin to rot, eventually causing you to spend thousands of dollars on a roof line repair.  The reason a drip edge is never used with a standard open tray gutter is that the spike or screw has to penetrate it in order to mount the gutter to the home, thus rendering it useless.

Roof Line Gutter Damage

(Image above courtesy of Gutters911.com)

Often, we see a gutter mounted directly to the rafter tails with no fascia at all!  With this type of scenario, the only surface to attach the gutter to is the end of the rafter tails.  In summary, the standard open tray gutter installed on 99.9% of all homes is the cheapest system a builder can put up on a home to get it sold.

Drive around any neighborhood and soon you will see this type of gutter pitching, leaning, falling off etc.  So explain this to me.  If an open tray is eventually going to cause damage to my home and quite possibly fall off, what good is putting a cover on it?  Now you get it!

From what I have seen with many no clog gutter systems out there, is that ONLY GutterMaxx stands tall.  It is installed with fascia, with a drip edge, the gutter tucks up under the drip edge and the nickel plated screws that mount the system to the home are below the drip edge as not to penetrate it.  The hoods have two ways for the water to enter the system, which causes a flushing effect keeping debris in the stream.  And since the internal brackets are elevated, once it enters the stream it is a clear shot out to the downspout.

GutterMaxx in Action

This system is also the only system designed under the premise that stuff will get in!  That’s why it works so well… it was designed to handle debris and not try to keep it all out!  Listen to LeafGuards ads and you will hear something like this, “Keeps ALL debris out that can clog your gutters”.  Really, ALL?  In other words our system can stop nature, think again.

If you look into the history of no-clog systems you soon discover that LeafGuard was the first attempt at extruding a gutter on-site with a hood on it.  It was designed and patented by K-guard approximately 16 years ago.  They franchised it and low and behold LeafGuard was born.  K-guard gave the franchise owners a 2-year no-clog warranty.  Later, the franchises extended that to lifetime to build a book of business.

After putting the system up for about 5 years they discovered that the system had some major flaws.

1. It was too small, it actually will fit inside a standard 41/2″ open tray gutter.  So installing it with a thick roofing material became difficult.
2. The design would not allow the use of a drip edge, and we have already seen what that causes.  When this was discovered they started to put caulking on the back of the gutter when they installed it.  (A short term solution at best)
3. It clogged!  what a no clog system that clogs, heaven forbid, remember the nature issue!  When they went out to unclog it because of the Lifetime warranty the discovered another problem.
4. It was very difficult to access because of the one piece design.  Once installed it was like a soda can!  And finally,
5. Damage issues, if the hood was damaged the owner was forced to buy a whole new run of gutter!  Yep, a one inch dent could cause the owner to purchase a new 40′, 50′ 60′ etc piece.

Imagine getting a ding on your car door, you take it in to get fixed and the repair place gives you a quote that makes you pass out.  Then you learn that to fix the door ding you have to purchase a new hood, the other doors, all the quarter panels, the trunk, everything because its all connected.  One piece is great on paper and in theory but in reality – not smart.

So after discovering and dealing with all these design set backs, they went back to K-guard and asked them to design a system to replace the first attempt.  They did!  the GutterMaxx system was born.  Now, it was not called that when it was presented to the LeafGuard franchise owners obviously because it was going to be their new product.  K-guard looked at the problems and solved them all because, like I stated earlier, they figured out that you cannot stop nature but you can control it to an extent.

K-Guard in Action - so this is identical to GutterMaxx?

No, the system is not perfect, but what it does along with its crown molding type majestic appearance backed up with Lifetime warranties from K-guard, it is without doubt the best system available to date.  Oh! why isn’t it Leafguard?  Well, when they found out that they would have to re-tool at a cost of $65,000 per truck per franchise owner plus re-do all their advertising from a one-piece system to a two-piece system, they turned it down.  K-guard decided to market it themselves through dealers across the country.  Smart choice.

When it comes to price, well guess what, with gutters and so called leaf-free hoods etc, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!

Wow!  There’s some interesting history there.  We can now begin to see how these product are all connected.

We’ve got downspouts that are permanently connected to underground pipes, so if GutterMaxx really is designed to allow some debris into the system, it may not work for us.  We need a system that will not allow leaves or large fragments into the downspouts.